Hi all, this is my first post, and I'm quite new to FreeBSD. Don't push me too hard :) Last night I've upgraded a (well) running FreeBSD-5.4 install to 6.0-RC1 and had it running without problems. Well, mind you, ALMOST without problems. When trying to start X.org server (using GDM, using "startx" command line, or even using "X" command line), my machine freezes for a few seconds before rebooting instantly. My first thought was that the X.org port wasn't compiled for 6.0-RC1, so I recompiled it. Nope, it still crashes. So I ran X with verbose level 9, and got this (if this isn't the right place to paste large text blocks, SORRY! Just tell me where should I read the mailing-lists etiquete): openglx_at_volahia:~$ X -verbose 9 -logverbose 9 tty08 :0 X Window System Version 6.8.2 Release Date: 9 February 2005 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 6.0 i386 [ELF] Current Operating System: FreeBSD volahia.starbyte.net 6.0-RC1 FreeBSD 6.0-RC1 #0: Sun Oct 9 20:32:57 UTC 2005 root_at_x64.samsco.home:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Build Date: 13 October 2005 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Oct 13 10:32:08 2005 (==) Using config file: "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xorg.conf" (==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured" (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" (**) | |-->Device "Card0" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (**) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (**) Option "DontZap" (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.2 X.Org Video Driver: 0.7 X.Org XInput driver : 0.4 X.Org Server Extension : 0.2 X.Org Font Renderer : 0.4 (II) Loader running on freebsd (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Font Renderer ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7 (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (--) using VT number 9 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x00000000, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1039,0630 card 0000,0000 rev 21 class 06,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:00:1: chip 1039,5513 card 1039,5513 rev d0 class 01,01,8a hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1039,0008 card 0000,0000 rev 00 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:01:1: chip 1039,0900 card 1039,0900 rev 83 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:4: chip 1039,7018 card 1039,7018 rev 02 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 1039,0001 card 0000,0000 rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 1039,6300 card 1039,6300 rev 21 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,-1,-1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:2:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x0000c000 - 0x0000cfff (0x1000) IX[B] (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xefe00000 - 0xefefffff (0x100000) MX[B] (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xdfc00000 - 0xefcfffff (0x10100000) MX[B] (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS630 GUI Accelerator+3D rev 33, Mem _at_ 0xe0000000/27, 0xefee0000/17, I/O _at_ 0xcc80/7 (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) PCI Memory resource overlap reduced 0xf4000000 from 0xf7ffffff to 0xf3ffffff (II) Active PCI resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xf3fff000 - 0xf3ffffff (0x1000) MX[B]E [1] -1 0 0xf3ffe000 - 0xf3ffffff (0x2000) MX[B]E [2] -1 0 0xf4000000 - 0xf3ffffff (0x0) MX[B]EO [3] -1 0 0xefee0000 - 0xefefffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [4] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xe7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [5] -1 0 0x0000de00 - 0x0000deff (0x100) IX[B]E [6] -1 0 0x0000dc00 - 0x0000dcff (0x100)(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading sub module "drm" (II) LoadModule: "drm" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/freebsd/libdrm.a (II) Module drm: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XC-MISC (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading sub module "GLcore" (II) LoadModule: "GLcore" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) Module GLcore: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "xtrap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libxtrap.a (II) Module xtrap: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension DEC-XTRAP (II) LoadModule: "freetype" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.so (II) Module freetype: vendor="X.Org Foundation & the After X-TT Project" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 2.1.0 Module class: X.Org Font Renderer ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font FreeType (II) LoadModule: "type1" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a (II) Module type1: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.2 Module class: X.Org Font Renderer ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Type1 (II) Loading font CID (II) LoadModule: "sis" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/sis_drv.o (II) Module sis: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 0.7.0 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7 (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.4 (II) LoadModule: "kbd" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/kbd_drv.o (II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.4 (II) SIS: driver for SiS chipsets: SIS5597/5598, SIS530/620, SIS6326/AGP/DVD, SIS300/305, SIS630/730, SIS540, SIS315, SIS315H, SIS315PRO, SIS550, SIS650/M650/651/740, SIS330(Xabre), SIS660/661FX/M661FX/M661MX/741/741GX/M741/760/M760, SIS340 (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (**) Chipset override: SIS630/730 (**) Chipset SIS630/730 found (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xf3fff000 - 0xf3ffffff (0x1000) MX[B]E [6] -1 0 0xf3ffe000 - 0xf3ffefff (0x1000) MX[B]E [7] -1 0 0xf4000000 - 0xf3ffffff (0x0) MX[B]EO [8] -1 0 0xefee0000 - 0xefefffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [9] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xe7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [10] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [11] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [12] -1 0 0x0000de00 - 0x0000deff (0x100) IX[B]E [13] -1 0 0x0000dc00 - 0x0000dcff (0x100) IX[B]E [14] -1 0 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffbf (0x20) IX[B]E [15] -1 0 0x00000374 - 0x00000377 (0x4) IX[B]E [16] -1 0 0x00000170 - 0x0000017f (0x10) IX[B]E [17] -1 0 0x000003f4 - 0x000003f7 (0x4) IX[B]E [18] -1 0 0x000001f0 - 0x000001ff (0x10) IX[B]E [19] -1 0 0x0000cc80 - 0x0000ccff (0x80) IX[B](B) (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xf3fff000 - 0xf3ffffff (0x1000) MX[B]E [6] -1 0 0xf3ffe000 - 0xf3ffefff (0x1000) MX[B]E [7] -1 0 0xf4000000 - 0xf3ffffff (0x0) MX[B]EO [8] -1 0 0xefee0000 - 0xefefffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [9] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xe7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [10] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [11] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [12] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [13] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0x0000de00 - 0x0000deff (0x100) IX[B]E [16] -1 0 0x0000dc00 - 0x0000dcff (0x100) IX[B]E [17] -1 0 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffbf (0x20) IX[B]E [18] -1 0 0x00000374 - 0x00000377 (0x4) IX[B]E [19] -1 0 0x00000170 - 0x0000017f (0x10) IX[B]E [20] -1 0 0x000003f4 - 0x000003f7 (0x4) IX[B]E [21] -1 0 0x000001f0 - 0x000001ff (0x10) IX[B]E [22] -1 0 0x0000cc80 - 0x0000ccff (0x80) IX[B](B) [23] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [24] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7 (II) SIS(0): SiS driver (2004/08/20-1) (II) SIS(0): Copyright (C) 2001-2004 Thomas Winischhofer <thomas_at_winischhofer.net> and others (II) SIS(0): Compiled for X.org version 6.8.2.0 (II) SIS(0): See http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml for documentation and updates (--) SIS(0): This adapter is primary display adapter (==) SIS(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x10000) was already clear (II) SIS(0): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset is 0xc900 (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.8.2 [and stops there. At this point the machine starts to reboot itself. I've managed to get that information connecting from a remote host using SSH.]. volahia is the machine name, as you may wonder. It's a Pentium III 1GHz, 512MB RAM, with three IDE devices (two HDs and one CD-ROM). It has everything "on-board", where: * SiS900 ethernet card (working perfectly) * Sis7018 sound card (have a few problems recording sound, but it isn't the matter now) * SiS630 video card (looks like there's some driver problem, are you sure that "ramdac" should be loaded for on-board video cards?) The dmesg output for me: openglx_at_volahia:~$ dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 6.0-RC1 #0: Sun Oct 9 20:32:57 UTC 2005 root_at_x64.samsco.home:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel Pentium III (1002.28-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x68a Stepping = 10 Features=0x387f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,PN,MMX,FXSR,SSE> real memory = 520028160 (495 MB) avail memory = 499531776 (476 MB) npx0: [FAST] npx0: <math processor> on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: <AMIINT AMIINT16> on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) pci_link0: <ACPI PCI Link LNKA> irq 0 on acpi0 pci_link1: <ACPI PCI Link LNKB> irq 10 on acpi0 pci_link2: <ACPI PCI Link LNKC> irq 11 on acpi0 pci_link3: <ACPI PCI Link LNKD> irq 0 on acpi0 pci_link4: <ACPI PCI Link LNKU> irq 0 on acpi0 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x5008-0x500b on acpi0 cpu0: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0 acpi_throttle0: <ACPI CPU Throttling> on cpu0 acpi_button0: <Power Button> on acpi0 pcib0: <ACPI Host-PCI bridge> port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib0 agp0: <SiS 630 host to AGP bridge> mem 0xf4000000-0xf7ffffff at device 0.0 on pci0 atapci0: <SiS 630 UDMA66 controller> port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xffa0-0xffaf at device 0.1 on pci0 ata0: <ATA channel 0> on atapci0 ata1: <ATA channel 1> on atapci0 isab0: <PCI-ISA bridge> at device 1.0 on pci0 isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0 sis0: <SiS 900 10/100BaseTX> port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem 0xf3ffe000-0xf3ffefff irq 11 at device 1.1 on pci0 miibus0: <MII bus> on sis0 ukphy0: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis0: Ethernet address: 00:07:95:c4:65:80 pcm0: <SiS 7018> port 0xde00-0xdeff mem 0xf3fff000-0xf3ffffff irq 10 at device 1.4 on pci0 pcm0: <ICEnsemble ICE1232 AC97 Codec> pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pcib1: <PCI-PCI bridge> at device 2.0 on pci0 pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib1 drm0: <SiS 630> port 0xcc80-0xccff mem 0xe0000000-0xe7ffffff,0xefee0000-0xefefffff at device 0.0 on pci1 info: [drm] AGP at 0xf4000000 64MB info: [drm] Initialized sis 1.1.0 20030826 on minor 0 acpi_button1: <Sleep Button> on acpi0 atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] fdc0: <floppy drive controller> port 0x3f2-0x3f3,0x3f4-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FAST] sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A ppc0: <ECP parallel printer port> port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77b irq 7 drq 3 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold ppbus0: <Parallel port bus> on ppc0 plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0 lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0 pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: <ISA Option ROMs> at iomem 0xc0000-0xcbfff,0xcc000-0xd3fff on isa0 sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1002277240 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec ad0: DMA limited to UDMA33, controller found non-ATA66 cable ad0: 39083MB <Maxtor 4D040K2 DAH017K0> at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: DMA limited to UDMA33, controller found non-ATA66 cable ad1: 114498MB <SAMSUNG SP1203N TL100-30> at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDRW <HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B/1.00> at ata1-slave UDMA33 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a WARNING: / was not properly dismounted WARNING: /tmp was not properly dismounted WARNING: /usr was not properly dismounted WARNING: /var was not properly dismounted WARNING: /media/ad1s1d was not properly dismounted WARNING: /media/ad1s4d was not properly dismounted sis0: link state changed to UP no matching session [Ignore the "no matching session" error, it is related to PPPoE sessioning]. I had to disable GDM auto-start, otherwise the machine would be rebooting itself everytime. Any idea on how we should work on that X.org problem? Note that the machine was working perfectly on FreeBSD-5.4, FreeBSD-5.2.1, Linux (Debian 3.0 and 3.1, Slackware 9, 9.1, 10), Windows (XP, 98), and FreeeDOS. If more information if needed, I can provide. Thanks in advance. -- openglx_at_StarByte.netReceived on Thu Oct 13 2005 - 11:48:45 UTC
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