Re: freebsd-current Digest, Vol 277, Issue 6

We should go to the zoo. :)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
      standard compiler?) (Brooks Davis)
   2. Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
      standard compiler?) (Maxim Sobolev)
   3. Re: About bwi (Paul B. Mahol)
   4. Re: [RFC]: flex/lex update (Thomas Dickey)
   5. Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it
      become	standard compiler?) (Pegasus Mc Cleaft)
   6. Re: fstab type "dp" (Jeremie Le Hen)
   7. Re: fstab type "dp" (Max Laier)
   8. Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
      standard compiler?) (Maxim Sobolev)
   9. Re: GEOM and moving to CURRENT from 7.1 (Ben Kaduk)
  10. Re: GEOM and moving to CURRENT from 7.1 (Ben Kaduk)
  11. Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
      standard compiler?) (Adrian Chadd)
  12. Re: hints on setting up usb cdma modem? (Rohit Tripathi)
  13. Question about panic in brelse() (Christoph Mallon)
  14. _rw_wlock_hard: recursing but non-recursive rw radix node
      head _at_	/usr/src/sys/net/route.c:831 (Yuriy Tsibizov)
  15. INET6 tcp md5 signature  (Guli)
  16. Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
      standard compiler?) (Maxim Sobolev)
  17. Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
      standard compiler?) (Roman Divacky)
  18. Re: fstab type "dp" (Doug Barton)
  19. Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
      standard compiler?) (Doug Barton)
  20. Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
      standard compiler?) (Christoph Mallon)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:20:23 -0600
From: Brooks Davis <brooks_at_freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
	standard compiler?)
To: Eitan Adler <eitanadlerlist_at_gmail.com>
Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <stephen_at_math.missouri.edu>,	Michel Talon
	<talon_at_lpthe.jussieu.fr>, freebsd-current_at_freebsd.org
Message-ID: <20090113222023.GA51810_at_lor.one-eyed-alien.net>
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On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 05:04:21PM -0500, Eitan Adler wrote:
> > Smells like FUD to me. In all of my reading, I have never seen such a
> > claim. There may be some GPLv3 issues, but I seriously doubt this is
> > one.
> Which leads to my next question: why not upgrade?

Given the number of FreeBSD using companies who are completely banned the
presence of GPLv3 source from their sites, improvements would have to
be extremely compelling and there would have to be a straight forward
way to produce snapshots of the src tree with out any GPLv3 components
as well as a simple way to build said source tree with a non-GPLv3
compiler.

-- Brooks
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:08:06 -0800
From: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax_at_FreeBSD.org>
Subject: Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become
	standard compiler?)
To: Brooks Davis <brooks_at_FreeBSD.org>
Cc: freebsd-current_at_FreeBSD.org, Eitan Adler
	<eitanadlerlist_at_gmail.com>,	Stephen Montgomery-Smith
	<stephen_at_math.missouri.edu>,	Michel Talon <talon_at_lpthe.jussieu.fr>
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Brooks Davis wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 05:04:21PM -0500, Eitan Adler wrote:
>>> Smells like FUD to me. In all of my reading, I have never seen such a
>>> claim. There may be some GPLv3 issues, but I seriously doubt this is
>>> one.
>> Which leads to my next question: why not upgrade?
> 
> Given the number of FreeBSD using companies who are completely banned the
> presence of GPLv3 source from their sites, improvements would have to
> be extremely compelling and there would have to be a straight forward
> way to produce snapshots of the src tree with out any GPLv3 components
> as well as a simple way to build said source tree with a non-GPLv3
> compiler.

Crazy idea perhaps, but can we make gcc 4.3 (as well as other GPLv3 
components) an opt-in, just like we used to have crypto parts in the 
good old days when US was trying to limit export of this technology? 
Then can mak
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