Re: CVS removal from the base

On 12/11/2011 06:14, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Doug Barton wrote:
>> On 12/02/2011 04:35, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>>> I think you're missing the point a little.
>>>
>>> The point is, you have to keep in mind how comfortable people feel
>>> about things, and progress sometimes makes people uncomfortable. I
>>> think you should leave these changes bake for a while and let people
>>> get comfortable with the changing status quo.
>>
>> The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no
>> matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature.
>>
>> This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the
>> majority view seems to lean heavily towards "If I use it, it must be the
>> default and/or in the base" rather than seeing ports as part of the
>> overall operating SYSTEM.
> 
> BSD is more conservative. More value given to stability of availability
> of interfaces & tools etc,

Having things in ports doesn't make them less available. :)

> More Long term professionals. 

I don't know what this means.

> Doug's
> attempting to force working FreeBSD ports such as procmail to be
> discarded is deplorable. 

Um, I had nothing to say about procmail. In fact, I use procmail, and
would not want to see it removed.

> Doug should stop coercing FreeBSD toward
> a Linux model, & move himself to Linux.

I actually do use Linux sometimes. In many ways it is a far superior
desktop. That said, I am certainly *not* trying to turn FreeBSD into
another Linux distro. What I am trying to do is to see what we can learn
from how Linux does things, and apply those ideas here when they are
useful. Just because Linux does it, doesn't mean it's wrong. :)

I've said this before, but it's worth repeating. Decisions that were
made 20 years ago about what should and should not be included in the
Berkeley Software Distribution, while valid at the time, may not be
valid any longer because things have changed since then. Just to take
one obvious example, when these decisions were being made it was
necessary to distribute a full system, including the 3rd party stuff,
all in one go because the software was being distributed on magnetic tape.


Doug

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