Hi, Reference: > From: Doug Barton <dougb_at_FreeBSD.org> > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:29:02 -0800 > Message-id: <4EE7C39E.6040403_at_FreeBSD.org> Doug Barton wrote: > On 12/11/2011 06:14, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 12/02/2011 04:35, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >>> I think you're missing the point a little. > >>> > >>> The point is, you have to keep in mind how comfortable people feel > >>> about things, and progress sometimes makes people uncomfortable. I > >>> think you should leave these changes bake for a while and let people > >>> get comfortable with the changing status quo. > >> > >> The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no > >> matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature. > >> > >> This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the > >> majority view seems to lean heavily towards "If I use it, it must be the > >> default and/or in the base" rather than seeing ports as part of the > >> overall operating SYSTEM. > > > > BSD is more conservative. More value given to stability of availability > > of interfaces & tools etc, > > Having things in ports doesn't make them less available. :) It didn't used to. It risks it now, since in last months, some ports/ have been targeted by a few rogue commiters purging, who want to toss ports out from one release to another without warning of a DEPRECATED= in previous release Makefiles. > > More Long term professionals. > > I don't know what this means. Older folk with more decades of Unix are likely to have had BSD experience way back , & jumped at BSD when eg BSD Lite & 386BSD came out. Younger folk may have a higher chance their first Unix exposure was Linux on a CD from a computer mag. & some of each will have stayed with the BSD or Linux they started with. Hence BSD people tend to have been working a bit longer I think. > > Doug's > > attempting to force working FreeBSD ports such as procmail to be > > discarded is deplorable. > > Um, I had nothing to say about procmail. In fact, I use procmail, and > would not want to see it removed. > > > Doug should stop coercing FreeBSD toward > > a Linux model, & move himself to Linux. Whoops ! _Apologies_ Doug ! I was mixing people up. Apologies ! > I actually do use Linux sometimes. In many ways it is a far superior > desktop. That said, I am certainly *not* trying to turn FreeBSD into > another Linux distro. What I am trying to do is to see what we can learn > from how Linux does things, and apply those ideas here when they are > useful. Just because Linux does it, doesn't mean it's wrong. :) Yup, each distro can have some good & bad. > I've said this before, but it's worth repeating. Decisions that were > made 20 years ago about what should and should not be included in the > Berkeley Software Distribution, while valid at the time, may not be > valid any longer because things have changed since then. Just to take > one obvious example, when these decisions were being made it was > necessary to distribute a full system, including the 3rd party stuff, > all in one go because the software was being distributed on magnetic tape. Good point. > Doug Apologies again for confusing your name with others. FYI URLs to end of 1st procmail thread & beginning of 2nd http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=948124+0+archive/2011/freebsd-ports/20110904.freebsd-ports http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=85459+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2011/freebsd-ports/20111002.freebsd-ports Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. EU tax to kill London Vetoed http://berklix.com/~jhs/blog/2011_12_11Received on Wed Dec 14 2011 - 02:50:18 UTC
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