Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Warner Losh <imp_at_bsdimp.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian_at_freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>> Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get
>>>> added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most
>>>> recent developer summit weren't _at_freebsd.org committers - we had
>>>> plenty of representation from companies using FreeBSD.
>>>> 
>>>> If you want to participate, just ask a friendly developer who is going
>>>> to the developer summit to sponsor you in going. You're pleasant in
>>>> person, so I'd have no problem sponsoring you if I am going to an
>>>> event. :)
>>>> 
>>> I have a very deep, quasi-philosophical, trouble/problem with that
>>> whole idea of sponsor-requirement to attend a such meeting. There is
>>> just something which does not feel right about it. From my point of
>>> view, this is a matter of common sense, focus is gonna be very narrow
>>> and deeply technical. Attendee should go there only if they think they
>>> will give positive feedback. As for myself, I would not attend a
>>> developer meeting on the fiber-channel over infiniband optimization,
>>> but would attend a developer meeting on next-generation mbuf.
>>> 
>>> Now, maybe I'll just push the door of some developer meeting I'd be
>>> interested in during next BSDCan, and see what happen :-) The outcome
>>> might be interesting to study in a social interaction, prisoner
>>> dilemma related, point-of-view.
>> 
>> Given how ridiculously easy it is to get a proper invite, there's not need to be a jerk just to prove an obscure philosophical point about attendance.  There's plenty of time to do that over the technical points being discussed.
>> 
> Let me explain my thoughts: I do not recognize the committers
> legitimacy to give such invite, and to some extend, I do not recognize
> committers self-given legitimacy altogether. This do not mean I'd
> praised a structure-less project; quite the opposite actually.
> Starting from that, I will certainly not defer to anybody to request
> such invite or commit bit. Feel free to kick me out of the meeting
> room if you want to; I would have proved my point.

I think this proves the point everybody has been saying: you are being needlessly contrary and confrontational.

Warner

> Now, if invites are so easy to get, just get rid of it. It's a
> worthless, cumbersome item.
> 
> - Arnaud
> 
> ps: please, do not get me wrong, I would apply this policy to anybody
> who propose to help.