Re: Enhancing the user experience with tcsh

On 12 Feb 2012 18:22, "Chuck Swiger" <cswiger_at_mac.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Chris Rees wrote:
> > So do I, but would these hurt you?
>
> At the present time, no.  (At one point, I was using a keyboard
> where the arrow keys generated "ESC-[ 1 ~" through "4",
> IIRC, but I haven't been on console on it in some time.)
>
> > I think it's insane that by default the standard keys don't work.
>
> What "standard keys" would those be?
>
> Folks, assuming that everyone uses IBM-AT derived American QUERTY
> layout keyboard is faulty.  Our German friends are more likely to use
> a QUERTZ layout, French/Benelux tend to use AZERTY, and non ISO-Latin-1
> languages like Russian and the asian languages have still other layouts.
>
> On the non-laptop keyboard I use most, which does have a QUERTY layout,
> but it does not have an "Insert" key; that key is the function key:
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_iMac_Keyboard_A1243.png  [1]
>
> On other non-American keyboards, the "Insert" key is labelled "Help",
> and generated 0xF5 ("F1" + Meta/set-high-bit?).
>
> Regards,
> --
> -Chuck
>
> [1]: Which is decent, but not perfect.  I'd swap ESC and "`~", and
> caps-lock with control, and that would IMO be the perfect layout.
>
> For obvious reasons, I don't recall ever using or needing to use the
> function key.  Even when on a Windows box, I wouldn't typically use
> the middle-upper 6-key Ins/DEL/etc block; I touch-type and my hands
> don't like to leave home row.  (On the other hand, I do change volume
> and screen brightness daily, and even eject audio CDs more than I need Fn.
> I'm just as happy to not need to do these things via two key-presses...)
>
> PS: Folks, all of the above discussion, which includes my preferences, is
> aside from my main point, which is that proposed changes should first
> land as examples.  Far too much of what people consider obvious
improvements
> not only do not apply everywhere, they sometimes *don't* *work* and break
> things.

Right... not once however have you referenced the Home/End/Delete keys,
which is what I was talking about (I'll give you Insert) :)

The scan codes for those three keys are the same on (almost)
all,keyboards.  Jilles is right about fixing the tcsh source however.

Chris