On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Doug Barton <dougb_at_freebsd.org> wrote: > On 06/27/2012 07:30 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >> >> >> --- Mer 27/6/12, Doug Barton <dougb_at_FreeBSD.org> ha scritto: >> ... >>> >>>> I believe we do not >>>> make this kind of work with any vendor code that is >>> being updated in the >>>> base; >>> >>> Au contraire, we frequently avoid updating the old versions >>> of things we have in the base precisely because they are >>> not bug-for-bug compatible with existing behaviors that we >>> count on. >>> >> >> >> Really?? I guess you are speaking for bind, > > Nope. > >> because the idea >> behind updating and piece of software is precisely shaking >> bugs. > > Nope. > >> I would think only the maintainer of the package has the >> authority to make any request in the lines of being >> bug-for-bug compatible > > You have a seriously wrong idea of "maintainer." The community owns the > software, it's up to the community to decide how it should work. > Historically we have looked at the maintainer as the person who > volunteers to take care of code, not the person who has the exclusive > lock on it. > >> and in the case of GNU sort and >> GNU grep they are both unmaintained and replacements >> are welcome. > > Actually both are maintained, it's just that we don't want to import the > new GNU versions. And yes, having BSD versions of these core tools is a > nice goal, but it's not one we should pursue for its own sake. > >> Please let's stop being an obstacle towards people >> bringing real progress to FreeBSD! > > In the case of grep, there were a fairly large number of people who > agreed that a BSD grep with orders of magnitude worse performance than > the previous version was not something we, as a project, were willing to > stomach. Sufficiently such that the default was switched back. > > So can we please stop pretending that it's me who's the problem, and > start looking at these things rationally? Doug, I think you need to give it a chance. I do not see any problem for anyone to switch the default and if the problems discover then switch the default back. It's a bleeding edge branch where more people can test it. The issue with grep was very harmeless and it was not difficult to switch the default between GNU and BSD. It's not like they threw GNU grep/sort away quickly. How come that I haven't heard anything from you about the jemalloc update? If you did then I must have missed it. It was very clearly that it was not test and he doesn't handle it very well, but got fixed evenly with the multi-commit. It was worst than grep/sort and other projects. If you are wondering why it's you. Because lately you are starting to whine a lot without give the things chance. If we are doing your way and nothing will moving on. > Doug -- mezz.freebsd_at_gmail.com - mezz_at_FreeBSD.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome_at_FreeBSD.orgReceived on Wed Jun 27 2012 - 15:12:54 UTC
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