Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort is the default sort in -CURRENT

From: Jeremy Messenger <mezz.freebsd_at_gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:12:52 -0500
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Doug Barton <dougb_at_freebsd.org> wrote:
> On 06/27/2012 07:30 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>
>>
>> --- Mer 27/6/12, Doug Barton <dougb_at_FreeBSD.org> ha scritto:
>> ...
>>>
>>>> I believe we do not
>>>> make this kind of work with any vendor code that is
>>> being updated in the
>>>> base;
>>>
>>> Au contraire, we frequently avoid updating the old versions
>>> of things we have in the base precisely because they are
>>> not bug-for-bug compatible with existing behaviors that we
>>> count on.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Really?? I guess you are speaking for bind,
>
> Nope.
>
>> because the idea
>> behind updating and piece of software is precisely shaking
>> bugs.
>
> Nope.
>
>> I would think only the maintainer of the package has the
>> authority to make any request in the lines of being
>> bug-for-bug compatible
>
> You have a seriously wrong idea of "maintainer." The community owns the
> software, it's up to the community to decide how it should work.
> Historically we have looked at the maintainer as the person who
> volunteers to take care of code, not the person who has the exclusive
> lock on it.
>
>> and in the case of GNU sort and
>> GNU grep they are both unmaintained and replacements
>> are welcome.
>
> Actually both are maintained, it's just that we don't want to import the
> new GNU versions. And yes, having BSD versions of these core tools is a
> nice goal, but it's not one we should pursue for its own sake.
>
>> Please let's stop being an obstacle towards people
>> bringing real progress to FreeBSD!
>
> In the case of grep, there were a fairly large number of people who
> agreed that a BSD grep with orders of magnitude worse performance than
> the previous version was not something we, as a project, were willing to
> stomach. Sufficiently such that the default was switched back.
>
> So can we please stop pretending that it's me who's the problem, and
> start looking at these things rationally?

Doug, I think you need to give it a chance. I do not see any problem
for anyone to switch the default and if the problems discover then
switch the default back. It's a bleeding edge branch where more people
can test it. The issue with grep was very harmeless and it was not
difficult to switch the default between GNU and BSD. It's not like
they threw GNU grep/sort away quickly.

How come that I haven't heard anything from you about the jemalloc
update? If you did then I must have missed it. It was very clearly
that it was not test and he doesn't handle it very well, but got fixed
evenly with the multi-commit. It was worst than grep/sort and other
projects.

If you are wondering why it's you. Because lately you are starting to
whine a lot without give the things chance. If we are doing your way
and nothing will moving on.

> Doug


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