Re: rcs

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alfred Perlstein <bright_at_mu.org> wrote:

> On 10/8/13 8:04 AM, sthaug_at_nethelp.no wrote:
>
>> I think the fact is that most direct users of RCS use it in a very
>>>> simple way, and
>>>> it works just fine for that.  with no real need for any updates or any
>>>> change.
>>>>
>>> With all due respect Julian, The more we discuss this more this really
>>> points to the problem that FreeBSD appears to be a challenge to install
>>> packages into such that a package moving out of base is such a big deal.
>>>
>>> Can we fix that instead?
>>>
>>> I mean, this change should really not be a big deal, but yet it is and
>>> this speaks to the core of FreeBSD utility.
>>>
>> Not commenting on RCS here, but on the concept of moving packages out
>> of the base:
>>
>> - For some of us, the attraction of FreeBSD is that it is a tightly
>> integrated system, and the base contains enough useful functionality
>> that we don't *have* to add a lot of packages.
>>
>> - Each package that is moved out of the base system means less useful
>> functionality in the base system - and for me: Less reason to use
>> FreeBSD instead of Linux.
>>
>> I absolutely see the problem of maintaining out-of-date packages in
>> the base system, and the desirability of making the base system less
>> reliant on GPL. I'm mostly troubled by the fact that there seems to
>> be a rather strong tendency the last few years of having steadily
>> less functionality in the base system - and I'm not at all convinced
>> that the right balance has been found here.
>>
>> This discussion is not new, and I don't expect to convince any new
>> persons...
>>
>>
>>  I'm sure other devs will disagree, but with ~15 years of FreeBSD
> experience and ~13 years as a dev, my very strong opinion is that this
> tightly coupled system is actually a boat anchor sinking us.
>
> Just because no one else does it a certain way, does not mean that a
> unique way of doing something is correct and/or sustainable.  Maybe in
> 1995, 1999, or 2005 even, but not today.  Especially in the context of
> add-on tools like rcs.
>
> What we need to discuss is lowering the bar to making custom installs.
>
> I personally find that installing FreeBSD is useless until I install
> "screen, zsh, vim-lite, git" why is that so manual for me?  Why can't I
> just register a package set somewhere so that all I have to type in is
> "alfred.perlstein.devel" into a box during the installer and I get all my
> packages by default?
>
> --
> Alfred Perlstein
>
> You technically can. Make your own "meta-port" which depends on the stuff
you want. Build package-set with for example poudriere, ship those packages
on your install-media. Done.

/Andreas


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