Re: HOWTO articles for migrating from Linux to FreeBSD, especially for pkg?

On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian_at_freebsd.org> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> 3) The binary packages need to work out of the box
> 4) .. which means, when you do things like pkg install apache, it
> can't just be installed and not be enabled, because that's a bit of a
> problem;
>
I disagree on this. For network services on linux ( apart from ssh ), I
want that started very seldom. But I do want the package installed so that
when I need it, it is there. Having it autostart as part of being installed
is breaking KISS and in some way unix philosophy: I asked for something to
be installed, not installed and autostarted.

> 5) .. and then we need examples of actually deploying useful
> scenarios, like "so here's what you type to get django working right",
> "here's how you get a default memcached that works well", "here's how
> you bring up node.js", etc.
>
Oh yes. I think that quite a few packages have default options that make
them unsuitable for out-of-box usage, ie some lack the sane default
dbi-stuff and so on.

> 6) Then make VMs of the above so people can just clone and install them.
> At least zfs-datasets ready to be run as jails would be really good too.
>

/A

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> -a
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> On 17 July 2014 11:25, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc_at_freebsd.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I attend a lot of different Meetup groups in the San Francisco Bay Area /
> > Silicon Valley.
> >
> > What I am seeing is the following usage pattern for new developers,
> > especially for web apps and cloud applications.
> >
> > (1)   On their desktop/laptop, they will generally be using
> >        a Mac running OS X.  This is their desktop Unix environment.
> >        This seems to be true of almost 90% of the people that I meet.
> >        The 10% of people who run a PC laptop, will mostly be running
> >         Windows.  Very few seem to run Linux on their laptops, but
> >        if they do, it will likely be Ubuntu Linux.
> >
> > (2)  For their deployed application, generally they will deploy to
> >       a Linux environment on a server.  These days, the server will
> >       very likely be in a cloud environment:  Amazon, Rackspace,
> >       Heroku.
> >
> >
> > For (1), encouraging people to move away from a Mac to FreeBSD for their
> > desktop environment is a tough sell.  Apple is a multi-billion dollar
> > company, and they make beautiful hardware, and software with
> > a fantastic end-user experience.  The PC-BSD project is fighting the
> > good fight in terms of making a usable FreeBSD desktop, but its
> > a touch battle to fight.
> >
> > For (2), encouraging people to move away from Linux to FreeBSD
> > on the server, may be something where we can get more wins.
> > I think we can do this by having more HOWTO articles on
> > the FreeBSD web page that explain the following:
> >
> >
> >     (1)  We need a HOWTO article that explains for each command using apt
> > or yum for installing packages,
> >           how can I do the same thing using "pkg".
> >           Even if we have a web page with a table, contrasting the
> >           apt/yum commands, and pkg commands, that would be super
> >           useful.
> >
> >           A lot of folks have moved away from FreeBSD, purely because
> >           they are sick of pkg_add.  We need to explain to folks that
> >           we have something better, that is quite competitive to
> >           apt/yum, and it is easy to use.
> >
> >      (2)  We need a HOWTO article that explains how to set up
> >            a FreeBSD environment with some of the major cloud providers,
> >            i.e. Amazon, Rackspace, Microsoft Azure, etc.
> >
> >
> > Do we have such articles today, or is anybody working on something
> > like that?
> >
> > I think if we had these two HOWTO articles today, and we could
> > aggressively point people at them, this would be a huge win
> > for expanding the number of people who try out FreeBSD
> > for modern server applications.
> >
> > --
> > Craig
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