Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:05:06 +0300
Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw_at_zxy.spb.ru> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:05:32PM -0700, Chris H wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler <FreeBSD_at_ShaneWare.Biz>
> > wrote 
> > > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote:  
> > > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive.  Maybe
> > > > it's time to move on from CD.  
> > > 
> > > +1 on dropping CD images. I haven't burnt a CD in over 10 years and I
> > > don't believe I have seen a CD only drive in that time. Even with a CD
> > > size image I have burnt them to DVD, I first started this because
> > > transfer speeds of DVD's are faster and nowadays it costs almost the
> > > same to burn a DVD. So I see zero benefit to using CD's and that's
> > > before thinking of reusable USB devices.
> > > 
> > > I do think there is a benefit to keeping the small boot only image
> > > available that can be used to start/recover a machine that can then
> > > download any data to be installed.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > FreeBSD - the place to B...Storing Data
> > > 
> > > Shane Ambler
> > >   
> > 
> > -1
> > There is no *good* reason that FreeBSD can't maintain the CD image.
> > I think the *real* question here is; *why* is it now so hard to fit
> > it on a CD?  
> 
> clang main binary now 50MB size (27MB for 10.x) -- on live FS and in base.txz.
> 11.x now ship lldb (on live FS too) -- 50MB also binary -- on live FS
> and in base.txz.
> kernel now 26M vs 12M on 10.3.
> kernel with modules now 115MB vs 54MB on 10.3
> total size of *.a now 50M (vs 48M).
> 
> All binaries slightly bigger: usr/bin/ld from 1580008 to 1615912 (+2%).
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More than a decade ago, some of us ran into trouble with floppy disks and/or
tapes, when software started to outgrow some older media. The tribute to
progress is, in some aspects, also to sacrifice.

FreeBSD is one of the few free operating systems which provides a plethora of
installation media - compared to some PR-shiny alternatives from the camp
"Linux".

A CD is still a used media, but it starts getting squeezy on it as certain
software starts to grow - as CLANG/LLVM does. Maybe it is time to have also CDs
as "miniboot" and DVDs for a more complete installation media?

Kind regards,
oh