Re: Strange ARC/Swap/CPU on yesterday's -CURRENT

On 2018-Apr-4, at 10:16 AM, Andriy Gapon <avg at FreeBSD.org> wrote:

> On 01/04/2018 05:31, Mark Millard wrote:
>> I have a hypothesis for part of what top is
>> counting in the process/thread SWAP column
>> that might not be what one would expect.
>> 
>> It appears to me that vnode-backed pages are
>> being re-classfied sometimes for inactive
>> processes, and this classification leads to
>> top classifying the pages as not-resident
>> but swapped (in that a "VN PAGER in" would
>> be required, in systat -vmstat terms).
> 
> Not sure.
> To me it seems that top just uses wrong statistics to calculate the value.
> 
> /* swap usage */
> #define ki_swap(kip) \
>   ((kip)->ki_swrss > (kip)->ki_rssize ? (kip)->ki_swrss - (kip)->ki_rssize : 0)
> 
> ki_rssize is the resident size of a process.
> ki_swrss is resident set size before last swap.
> 
> Their difference is... exactly what?
> I cannot even meaningfully describe this value.
> But it is certainly _not_ the current swap utilization by the process.
> 
> Here is my attempt at obtaining a more reasonable approximation of the. process
> swap use.  But it is still wildly inaccurate.
> 
> . . .

If I get time this weekend, I'll try the patch. Thanks.

I've classically seen things like (picking on java here):
(no patch yet, so SWAP 0K shows)

  PID USERNAME       THR PRI NICE   SIZE    RES   SWAP STATE   C   TIME     CPU COMMAND
78694 root            44  52    0 14779M 92720K     0K uwait  22   0:06   9.91% [java]

when Swap: . . . 0 Used . . . (or some figure much
smaller than SIZE-RES) showed. (SIZE is ki_size and
RES is ki_rssize as I remember.) It suggests some
form of reserved-but-not-allocated contribution to
ki_size (SIZE), space not resident nor swapped out
to a swap partition. Possibly vnode-backed (potential
"VN PAGER in and out" contributions instead of "SWAP
PAGER" ones, in systat -vmstat terms)?

Are such cases examples of what you were counting
as "wildly inaccurate"? Or do you count vnode-backed
but not resident as perfectly good examples of SWAP
in use?

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