Re: possible usb3-connected hard drive spin down causing lag

On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 20:09:41 +0100
Michael Gmelin <freebsd_at_grem.de> wrote:

> > On 26. Nov 2020, at 19:21, Gary Jennejohn <gljennjohn_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ___On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 10:44:19 -0700
> > Warner Losh <imp_at_bsdimp.com> wrote:
> >   
> >>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 4:16 AM Michael Gmelin <freebsd_at_grem.de> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 10:12:06 +0100
> >>> Gary Jennejohn <gljennjohn_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 01:14:02 -0700
> >>>> Warner Losh <imp_at_bsdimp.com> wrote:
> >>>>   
> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 1:07 AM Gary Jennejohn
> >>>>> <gljennjohn_at_gmail.com> wrote:    
> >>>>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 00:10:40 +0000
> >>>>>> tech-lists <tech-lists_at_zyxst.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I have a usb3-connected harddrive. dmesg shows this:
> >>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>> da0: <ADATA HD710 0> Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device
> >>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> running current-r367806-arm64
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I think it might be auto-spinning-down or auto-sleeping. It's
> >>>>>>> making initial interaction lag of 2-3 seconds.  Is there a
> >>>>>>> sysctl or something somewhere where I can tell it to never
> >>>>>>> sleep?  Or is that something I'd need to contact the
> >>>>>>> manufacturer about?  Or is there an alternative strategy like
> >>>>>>> tmpfs.  It's not a "green" drive but I guess it might be
> >>>>>>> "green" in that it's usb3 powered.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I have vfs.read_max=128 in /etc/sysctl.conf
> >>>>>>> zdb has ashift=12
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> In case it's relevant, the filesystem on the disk is zfs. Once
> >>>>>>> "woken up", inferaction is quick, as expected.
> >>>>>>> thanks,
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I'd be interested in an answer to this question myself.  I have
> >>>>>> several USB-attached UFS2 disks which spin down after a few
> >>>>>> minutes.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> But, based on some quick searches, this behavior is either a
> >>>>>> "feature" of the disk itself - seems common with so-called green
> >>>>>> disks - or of the controller in the external enclosure or docking
> >>>>>> station.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> This behavior makes sense for drives used with laptops, but for
> >>>>>> desktop computers not so useful.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> There are some sysctl's relevant to spindown, but they appear to
> >>>>>> only come into play during suspend or shutdown.  The ones
> >>>>>> relevant to USB which I found are:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> kern.cam.ada.spindown_suspend: Spin down upon suspend
> >>>>>> kern.cam.ada.spindown_shutdown: Spin down upon shutdown
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> There may be commands which a user can send the disk/controller to
> >>>>>> disable this behavior, but I didn't find any with my simple
> >>>>>> searches.    
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> For SAS drives, there's a mode page that controls this behavior.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> You might see if the sysutil/ataidle port/package does what you
> >>>>> want.    
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks, Warner, but that port is not in my HEAD ports tree.  It's
> >>>> also not in the HEAD pkg repository.  Many the name has changed?
> >>>> 
> >>>> My disks are all SATA in various USB3 enclosures/docking stations.
> >>>>   
> >>> 
> >>> I also used ataidle in the past, but it was removed from the ports tree
> >>> in 2018 (see MOVED).
> >>> 
> >>> Since then, I'm using camcontrol to set standby timeout values on my
> >>> SATA drives, I never tried it on USB devices though.
> >>> 
> >>> Example:
> >>> 
> >>> /sbin/camcontrol standby /dev/da2 -v -t 1800    
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Perfect! I've not had to deal with sata disks that did this since the
> >> ataidle days. I looked in camcontrol before suggesting it, but somehow
> >> missed this... Glad I posted a bogus answer (sorry about that), since I
> >> learned something new.
> >>   
> > 
> > camcontrol unfortuantely doesn't work with my USB3 enclosures.  I
> > suspect that the USB3-to-SATA bridge controller is doing its own thing
> > and camcontrol has no effect on its behavior.  Not tragic for me since
> > I use these disks primarily for backups.  But for someone using a USB
> > attached disk as a primary file system this behavior will definitely be 
> > a PITA.  
> 
> Does using /dev/passX instead of /dev/daX make a difference?  (I
> remember I had to do something like this when using smartctl on usb
> drives).
> 

No, the bridge controller still idles the disk after a few minutes.

But I tried it with camcontrol idle rather than standby.  Trying
standby does send a ATA STANDBY command to pass0.  Maybe that will
work.

-- 
Gary Jennejohn