Re: Silent hang in buildworld, was Re: Invoking -v for clang during buildworld

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 12:30:51PM -0800, Mark Millard wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2021-Jan-17, at 09:40, bob prohaska <fbsd at www.zefox.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 03:04:04PM -0800, Mark Millard wrote:
> >> 
> >> Other than -j1 style builds (or equivalent), one pretty much
> >> always needs to go looking around for a non-panic failure. It
> >> is uncommon for all the material to be together in the build
> >> log in such contexts.
> > 
> > Running make cleandir twice and restarting -j4 buildworld brought
> > the process full circle: A silent hang, no debugger response, no
> > console warnings. That's what sent me down the rabbit hole of make
> > without clean, which worked at least once...
> 
> Unfortunately, such a hang tends to mean that log files and such
> were not completely written out to media. We do not get to see
> evidence of the actual failure time frame, just somewhat before.
> (compiler/linker output and such can have the same issues of
> ending up with incomplete updates.)
> 
> So, pretty much my notes are unlikely to be strongly tied to
> any solid evidence: more like alternatives to possibly explore
> that could be far off the mark.
> 
> It is not clear if you were using:
> 
> LDFLAGS.lld+= -Wl,--threads=1
> 
> or some such to limit the multi-thread linking and its memory.
No, I wasn't trying to limit ld.lld thread number.

> I'll note that if -j4 gets 4 links running in parallel it used
> to be each could have something like 5 threads active on a 4
> core machine, so 20 or so threads. (I've not checked llvm11's
> lld behavior. It might avoid such for defaults.)
> 
> You have not reported any testing of -j2 or -j3 so far, just
> -j4 . (Another way of limiting memory use, power use, temperature,
> etc. .)
>
Not recently, simply because it's so slow to build. On my "production"
armv7 machines running stable/12 I do use -j2. But, they get updated
only a couple times per year, when there's a security issue. 

> You have not reported if your boot complained about the swap
> space size or if you have adjusted related settings to make
> non-default tradeoffs for swap amanagment for these specific
> tests. I recommend not tailoring and using a swap size total
> that is somewhat under what starts to complain when there is
> no tailoring.
> 
Both Pi2 and Pi3 have been complaining about too much swap
since I first got them. Near as can be told it's never been
a demonstrated problem, thus far. Now, as things like LLVM
get bigger and bigger, it seems possible excess swap might
cause, or obscure, other problems. For the Pi2 I picked 2
GB from the old "2x physical RAM" rule. 

> 
> > The residue of the top screen shows
> > 
> > last pid: 63377;  load averages:  4.29,  4.18,  4.15                         up 1+07:11:07  04:46:46
> > 60 processes:  5 running, 55 sleeping
> > CPU: 70.7% user,  0.0% nice, 26.5% system,  2.8% interrupt,  0.0% idle
> > Mem: 631M Active, 4932K Inact, 92M Laundry, 166M Wired, 98M Buf, 18M Free
> > Swap: 2048M Total, 119M Used, 1928M Free, 5% Inuse, 16K In, 3180K Out
> > packet_write_wait: Connection to 50.1.20.26 port 22: Broken pipe
> > bob_at_raspberrypi:~ $ ssh www.zefox.com    RES STATE    C   TIME    WCPU COMMAND
> > ssh: connect to host www.zefox.com port 22: Connection timed out86.17% c++
> > bob_at_raspberrypi:~ $ 1  99    0   277M   231M RUN      0   3:26  75.00% c++
> > 63245 bob           1  99    0   219M   173M CPU0     0   2:10  73.12% c++
> > 62690 bob           1  98    0   354M   234M RUN      3   9:42  47.06% c++
> > 63377 bob           1  30    0  5856K  2808K nanslp   0   0:00   3.13% gstat
> > 38283 bob           1  24    0  5208K   608K wait     2   2:00   0.61% sh
> >  995 bob           1  20    0  6668K  1184K CPU3     3   8:46   0.47% top
> >  990 bob           1  20    0    12M  1060K select   2   0:48   0.05% sshd
> > ....
> 
> This does not look like ld was in use as of the last top
> display update's content. But the time between reasonable
> display updates is fairly long relative to CPU activity
> so it is only suggestive.
> 
> > [apologies for typing over the remnants]
> > 
> > I've put copies of the build and swap logs at
> > 
> > http://www.zefox.net/~fbsd/rpi2/buildworld/
> > 
> > The last vmstat entry (10 second repeat time) reports:
> > procs     memory       page                      disks     faults       cpu
> > r b w     avm     fre  flt  re  pi  po    fr   sr da0 sd0   in   sy   cs us sy id
> > 4  0 14  969160   91960   685   2   2   1   707  304   0   0 11418   692  1273 45  5 50
> > 
> > Does that point to the memory exhaustion suggested earlier in the thread?
> > At this point /boot/loader.conf contains vm.pfault_oom_attempts="-1", but 
> > that's a relic of long-ago attempts to use USB flash for root and swap.
> > Might removing it stimulate more warning messages?
> > 
> 
> vm.pfault_oom_attempts="-1" should only be used in contexts where
> running out of swap will not happen. Otherwise a deadlocked system
> can result if it does run out of swap. (Run-out has more senses the
> just the swap partition being fully used: other internal resources
> for keeping track of the swap can run into its limits.) I've no
> evidence that the -1 was actually a problem.
> 
> I do not find any 1000+ ms/w or ms/r figures in swapscript.log .
> I found 3 examples of a little under 405 (on sdda0*), 3 between
> 340 and 345 (da0*), 4 in the 200s (da0*), under 60 in the 100s
> (da0*). It does not look to me like the recorded part had problems
> with the long latencies that you used to have happen.
> 
> So I've not found any specific evidence about what led to the
> hangup. So my earlier questions/suggestions are basically
> arbitrary and I would not know what to do with any answers
> to the questions.
> 
> The only notes that are fairly solid are about the hangup leading
> to there being some files that were likely incompletely updated
> (logs, compiler output files, etc.).
>
 
The notion that log files might be truncated didn't didn't register 
until you brought it up. 

The obvious things to try seem to be:
Disable vm.pfault_oom_attempts="-1"
Decrease swap partition size
Try using WITH_META_MODE

WITH_META_MODE  seems relatively easy; just add -DWITH_META_MODE to the make
command line for buildworld and add filemon_load="YES" to boot/loader.conf,
but I wonder about the burdens it'll impose on CPU and disk space/throughput. 
There's nothing to lose at this stage, but I'm all ears if there's a better
approach.

Many thanks for your patient good counsel!

bob prohaska