On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:52:30PM +1000, Andy Farkas wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2003, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:21:58PM +1000, Andy Farkas wrote: > > > > > > Please realise what I've been trying to tell you: there is a difference in > > > the user experience when one types `man ppp` on a 4.8 box and when one > > > types `man ppp` on a 5.1-B box. On a 4.8 box the user types `man ppp`, > > > gets a message, then waits around 10 seconds for the page to display. On a > > > 5.1-B box the user types `man ppp` and DOES NOT GET A MESSAGE BUT HAS TO > > > WAIT 10 SECONDS before the page is displayed. > > > > > You got an explanation. > > I still can't understand why you don't understand me, but I will shut up > now. I guess being a user on a slow box doesn't matter anymore. > I DO understand what you're trying to tell me, I'm just trying to stand you corrected. ;) Facts: 1. When catpage is not created, the message is not displayed, purposedly, either on 4.x or 5.x, under root or non-root, doesn't matter. The message is only displayed the first time the catpage is created. 2. A catpage is always created for a root user. 3. A catpage (for a system manpage) is only created for a non-root user if man(1) is setuid "man". The facts are true for both 4.x and 5.x. If you remove the -DSETREUID bit from src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/Makefile in 4.x, you won't get the message there too. So, to brought the message back in 5.x, we'd have to re- enable the setuid code in man(1), which we're not ready to yet. Got it? -- If catpages aren't created, my timings are as follows on a 500MHz Celeron box: $ /usr/bin/time -h man ppp >/dev/null 4,20s real 4,07s user 0,09s sys But if I just type "man ppp", I'm presented with the first page of output in about 1 second, so I roughly "don't have to wait when the whole manpage gets formatted". How much seconds does it take for some text to appear on a terminal attached to your slow box in this case? Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru_at_sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru_at_FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age
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