Re: i give up

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Robert Noland <rnoland_at_freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 01:51 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Robert Noland <rnoland_at_freebsd.org> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 11:44 -0800, Artem Belevich wrote:
>> >> > Second, DO NOT use motherboards with built-in video.  These are almost
>> >> > always nvidia chipsets and suffer from the nvidia problem.  Also, the video
>> >> > is crappy and buggy.
>> >>
>> >> I'd not discount them all as a class. Intel's built-in G33/G35 with
>> >> recent DRM and x86-video-intel driver seem to work pretty well for
>> >> accelerated 2D on the few boxes I have under FreeBSD-8/amd64. I even
>> >> get 3D working on occasion. :-)
>> >
>> > Correct, Despite my occasional frustration with them, Intel is very
>> > supportive.  They are providing docs and code (linux code) and I have a
>> > decent relationship with the Intel graphics devs.
>> >
>> > ATI/AMD has also become much more friendly and r500 and below should
>> > work fairly well.  r600+ is still under development.
>> >
>> > Interestingly enough, VIA just released docs on some of their chips as
>> > well.  I have it on my list to work on, but I don't yet have hardware to
>> > work with.
>> >
>> > robert.
>> >
>> >> --Artem
>>
>> Eh? ATI can't write drivers to get themselves out of a cardboard box
>> on Linux, let alone FreeBSD. I have little faith that they'll get
>> functional 64-bit drivers before nVidia does, as ATI as definitely
>> demonstrated that they don't care for the *BSD market as much as
>> nVidia has.
>
> I'm not referring to ATI/AMDs proprietary drivers.  They are providing
> open documentation now, as well as information that isn't yet public
> when I ask for it.  So, I'm speaking about the open drm/mesa/Xorg
> driver, which afaik is working pretty well on r500 and below now.
>
> robert.

Well, yeah. I was referring to the proprietary drivers though, because
all you get is 2D acceleration with the open ATI/nVidia drivers.
Given the fact that r500 is rather old too though... that lags a lot
more behind nVidia -- but I'm sure that's due to volunteering and lack
of man-hours because nVidia has a few devs dedicated towards
maintaining their driver on *BSD.
-Garrett