Hi, On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk_at_mit.edu> wrote: > On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass <brett_at_lariat.net> wrote: >>> >>> My personal preference would be to place portions of the directory tree >>> which contain critical configuration information and are not written in >>> normal use -- e.g. /etc and /boot -- >>> >> The problem with /boot on a dedicated partition is the the kernel, >> since at least 8.x, is installed by default with a vast majority of >> crap. That's all the .symbols, that 99% of FreeBSD users will never >> uses. > > My recollection is that this is because kensmith forgot to take 'makeoptions > DEBUG=-g' out of GENERIC when branching stable/8, and no one noticed until a > couple of releases in, at which point it seemed consistent with POLA to just > keep it there. Unfortunately I am not having much luck digging through mail > archives trying to confirm that. > I don't remember whether the plan was to turn it off on stable/9 or not. > >> >> Beside that, the auto-partitionner refuses to work on <1G drive, which >> is really ridiculous... >> >> FreeBSD 9.0BETA2 bases + games fit in 310MB, crap taken out. > > Can you even buy a spinning disk less than 50GB these days? > The storage world is not limited to spinning hardware. Take a 512MB CF, put it in a soekris box, and you got an embedded system capable of doing a whole bunch of stuff. Now, FreeBSD may no longer want to target such "niche" usage. > If you have hardware of that nature, you are almost certainly going to want > to customize other aspects of the system (and if it's an under-provisioned > system, are you really going to be doing this customization in-place?), at > which point removing the extra stuff is minimal extra work. If a developer > has to ask a user to do something (e.g. compile) in order to debug > something, there is a huge hit in the response rate; having the symbols > available in the general case can be helpful. > Then why don't you provide symbols for the whole system, including binaries and libraries ? At least be consistent in your argument... And, yes, I have patches for that. - ArnaudReceived on Mon Sep 26 2011 - 22:59:32 UTC
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