Re: HOWTO articles for migrating from Linux to FreeBSD, especially for pkg?

On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 01:57:52PM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On 17 July 2014 13:54, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt_at_freebsd.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:21:17PM +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Navdeep Parhar <nparhar_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 07/17/14 13:12, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> >> > > On 17 July 2014 13:03, Alberto Mijares <amijaresp_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian_at_freebsd.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>> Hi!
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> 3) The binary packages need to work out of the box
> >> > >>> 4) .. which means, when you do things like pkg install apache, it
> >> > >>> can't just be installed and not be enabled, because that's a bit of a
> >> > >>> problem;
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> No. Please NEVER do that! The user must be able to edit the files and
> >> > >> start the service by himself.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cool, so what's the single line command needed to type in to start a
> >> > > given package service?
> >> >
> >> > Aren't sysrc(8) and service(8) for this kind of stuff?
> >> >
> >>
> >> They sure are.
> >>
> >> Well, pkg install $service ; sysrc ${service}_enable="YES" would do.
> >> Although some services have different names than the packge, which is sort
> >> of annoying.
> >
> > Maybe service needs to be extended (seriously sysrc ${service}_enable="YES" is
> > not user friendly) we have service -l that list the services, maybe a service
> > ${service} on that create /etc/rc.conf.d/${service} with ${service}_enable="YES"
> > in it and service ${service} off to remove it
> >
> > maybe service -l could also be extended to show the current status (maybe with a
> > -v switch)
> >
> > but for sure having the service off by default is a good idea :)
> 
> Yeah, maybe having it populate an entry of service_enable="NO" for now .

then you need to extend rcng to support /usr/local/etc/rc.conf.d so the packages
can install them without touching base :) and we will need to wait for all
supported FreeBSD version to have the said modification)
> 
> It's even more unclear-ish - it's not obvious which options control
> services and which ones are configuration things. We don't call it
> service_<xxx>_enable, right?
> 
imho this is obvious <xxx>_enable == control service.

regards,
Bapt