Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)

Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote on 03/11/2016 15:05:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 02:58:17PM +0100, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
>
>> Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote on 03/11/2016 14:31:
>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 02:20:59PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 04:10:56PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 01:05:11PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>>> Case of only a few monolitic packages is essentiality simple then case
>>>>> of 1000 combined packages.
>>>> pkg info -a on one diff with pkg info -a on the other
>>>> for the full content: pkg info -a --raw on both end and diff them.
>>>>
>>>> That should cover your case, no?
>>>
>>> No, that may cause a much false positive: slight different versions,
>>> unimportant packets and etc. In 1000 packets this give to many noise.
>>
>> If you don't need version numbers, you can list just package names
>> pkg query %n
>> or package origins
>> pkg query %o
>
> currently:
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>> Anything else is on your side and even if I understand your complaints
>> (and I agree with some of them) I don't thing it will change anything on
>> the future of packaged base.
>> So it is better to spend our time on working local solution to new
>> problem. It has some pros and some cons and I hope the pros will
>> outweigh cons.
>
> I am don't talk 'this is imposible'. I am talk 'this is awkward'.
> What purpose for paclaging base system? packaging for packaging? Or
> packaging for simplify and comfortably management, maintance and
> upgrade?

I hope it will simplified updates. Freebsd-update was so unreliable and 
unpredictable for me that I returned to the "make buildkernel && make 
buildworld" on builder machine and "make installkernel && make 
installworld" through NFS on destinations. And it has some cons too - 
recompile whole system and reinstall on all machines instead of just 
some small package. It has it's impact on size of backups too.

Miroslav Lachman