Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:08 AM Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des_at_des.no> wrote:

> blubee blubeeme <gurenchan_at_gmail.com> writes:
> > True on both points my tone is just a reflection of attitudes of the
> > individuals that I am currently addressing.
>
> Well, congratulations on alienating absolutely everybody you have
> interacted with on this topic.
>
> > Some people enjoy making contributions w/o waving a banner constantly
> > wanting acknowledgement, a pat on the head and good job from everyone.
>
> The only person I see constantly craving attention and validation from
> others here is you.
>
> > How far will core FreeBSD bend over backwards to accommodate these
> > devs.
>
> The core team does not decide what goes into the tree or not.  The
> developers do.
>
> > This is the beauty of an open source project, we bring the best to the
> > table, [...]
>
> Who exactly is “we” here?  You are not a member of the project, you do
> not speak for the project, and after seeing how you treat our fellow
> developers, our friends, most of us want nothing to do with you.  If
> can't live with that, I'm sure you can figure out how to install Linux.
>
> DES
> --
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des_at_des.no


Some on here want to attack my personality because they think that I am
abrasive, fine but that's not the issue.

Some claim that they run the code and it works wonderful for them with no
issues, again that's lovely keep on running the code.

 Nevertheless let me restate the point that you guys are all seeming to
miss; If you can go out and build custom kernels with custom options and
out of mainline tree that's fine, keep doing that until you have something
that's production ready and as easy to install as the rest of FreeBSD
system.

The graphics stack on FreeBSD is pretty bad as it stands but all the
documentation currently out there is about using it as it stands now.

Why do you need to rip out the current graphics drivers which will break
systems for the vast majority of silent users who will not complain and
just leave?

---- A little background ----
Do you know why Samsung, Motorola, Sony, LG, Nokia, etc... never update
their phones to the latest android version?

It's because the Linux kernel is such a mess they know it's a waste of
resources to try. You should not have to ask how or why I know this but if
it's unclear I was in the field.
-----------------------------------

Now you guys who claim to only be hobbyist doing this in their free time
expect to maintain this when those companies with all their resources
cannot?

Those 30,000 ports many of them bring bugs with them because of this
Linuxkpi stuff. Just recently there was a user who said google earth
doesn't work the answer was it doesn't work and that's that.

They get ported and then get dropped so while the ports tree is large, if
you actually try to use some of those programs they are broken, maintenance
hell for the developers and confusion for the users.

Johannes Lundberg I know that you are one of the main working on this
linuxkpi stuff but anyone else is free to answer as well.

Let's have an open discussion why do you need to remove the current
graphics stack to continue with your work?