On June 19, 2019 9:30:19 AM PDT, "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg_at_gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> In message ><fffbe5d47e3515c960429ab416bf2ba234f9671d.camel_at_freebsd.org> >> , Ian Le >> pore writes: >> > On Tue, 2019-06-18 at 07:01 -0700, Enji Cooper wrote: >> > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 06:59, Enji Cooper <yaneurabeya_at_gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 06:53, Ian Lepore <ian_at_freebsd.org> >wrote: >> > > > >> > > > ... >> > > > >> > > > > Last Saturday, Bryan (cc'd) made a series of commits >(r349061-69) >> > > > > that >> > > > > were all somehow related to dependency processing in the >> > > > > build. I >> > > > > don't know the details, just remember seeing some commits >about >> > > > > that. >> > > > >> > > > I remember that as well. This might have changed the dependency >> > > > order subtly, introducing a race. >> > > > >> > > > The headers might not be built in all cases in time now. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > -Enji >> > > > >> > > > PS This is one of the reasons why I wasn???t quick to discount >Peter >> > > > Jeremy???s reported build issue. >> > > >> > > Correction: I meant Julian Stacey. >> > >> > Julian Stacey has 3 problems: >> > >> > 1. Missing opt_cam.h >> > 2. Missing yacc.h >> > 3. A years-long inability to report a problem without hurling >personal >> > insults at the project and everyone associated with it. >> > >> > Because of #3, I don't much care about 1 and 2. >> >> Bingo! My point exactly! > >You can't understand the frustration of 25 years of >having system build breakage on a pretty regular basis >as a trigger point for anger? But it doesn't break on a regular basis. Sure, people occasionally do boneheaded things but that doesn't give anyone the right to go on the attack. Calling for the revocation of commit bits is going over the line. We all get frustrated but frustration doesn't give anyone the right to go postal in a virtual way. The fact is a person can attract more good will by objectively addressing the problem rather than subjectively attacking the person, or in this case attacking the group of people. It's like being bitten by a dog. You want nothing to do with the animal. I see Ian's point and feel the same, and wouldn't be surprised if others did too. I can think of many other real life examples which result in, "well then do it yourself." People can't consistently treat others in a certain manner and expect different results time and time again. -- Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use. Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert_at_cschubert.com> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy_at_FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.Received on Wed Jun 19 2019 - 15:06:11 UTC
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