Re: tmux(1) in base

Pete wrote:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote, in part:
> 

>
>> 3) Both BIND and Sendmail have strong historical ties to BSD, and a lot
>>    of users would be very surprised to find them missing from the next
>>    release.
> 
> User surprise was not a sufficient reason not to remove Perl.

Perl was only put in, in the first place just before that.
more people we being surprised that it was there than that it went 
away I think.
Bind and sendmail have been there for over 20 years.
that's a whole different dimension.

> 
> "Missing" does not seem like the right word to describe an application
> easily installed from ports.
> 
>> 4) The FreeBSD project has strong ties to and good working relationships
>>    with the people and organizations who write and maintain BIND and
>>    Sendmail, ensuring that they are well integrated into our codebase,
>>    that any concerns we should have about them are given serious
>>    consideration, that we always receive ample advance notification of
>>    any know problems, etc.
> 
> This would be equally true and valuable if the programs were to be moved
> to ports.
> 
>> 5) Both BIND and Sendmail are mature, robust, highly regarded, actively
>>    maintained pieces of software with strong developer and user
>>    communities.  Unbound, DMA, or whatever it is you would replace them
>>    with can only dream of enjoying a fraction of the respect that BIND
>>    and Sendmail command in the industry.
> 
> Some don't need them and would like a system without them. It's not
> about respect or newer alternatives.

I'd rather we didn't redefine what is in BSD to any great extent at 
this time.

> 
>> 6) This discussion comes up with depressing regularity.  The arguments
>>    on both sides are always the same, as is the conclusion: you can have
>>    BIND and Sendmail when you pry them out of Beastie's cold, dead
>>    fingers.  Now go write some code.
> 
> Perhaps this discussion comes up with depressing regularity because some
> "cold dead fingers"-type people seem a bit obstinate about an obvious
> streamlining.

maybe it comes up becasue new hands keep bringing it up? :-)

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