Dear all: I think we've now more than adequately demonstrated the importance of not e-mailing large mailing lists suggesting changes to the status quo when it comes to adding/removing programs from the base without a really compelling reason. The current blend of components is largely historical, modeling the mix found in BSD UNIX, and strikes a hard-to-characterize balance between the logical extremes "we ship a minimally bootstrapping system" and "we ship every application under the sun". This means for most parts of the base system there will be someone who argues it belongs there, and someone who argues that it doesn't. Change proposals along the lines of "Should we add tmux" and "Should we remove BIND" are therefore necessarily controversial, and often end up mired in exactly this sort of endless and unproductive e-mail discussion. This is one of the most important reasons not to propose them. The moral is clear, and this thread has done nothing to speed the testing, debugging, and release of FreeBSD 8.0. Let's get back to that and maybe let sleeping dogs lie? Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of CambridgeReceived on Wed Sep 23 2009 - 21:37:26 UTC
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